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that it will create the proper environment for trade among themselves. so we have a long way to go. we have to be there with them. i did not think it can be anything but one of our top priorities, having seen what happened in the last year in that part of the world. it would be disastrous. the opportunity for democratically substations, for them to slip away from us. >> in the imf and other institutions, they have to be engaged also. that is something very germanic. -- dramatic. somebody has to come to resolve the problem. >> we spent time now that the north african countries but we really difficult, what is going on now. this situation? who died in this uprising. and the recorder of a million refugees going into turkey, and jordan, lebanon. how does the obligation of the protect civilians tack up against the risk --stack up? how do you see the interests of europe and the united states in to consider acting? should they consider acting blessing? [laughter] >> very difficult question. today. i talked the other day with the secretary general, ban ki-moon. he told me that what he had planned,
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